Wikipedia:De kaffee/Arsjief300918

Processing Limburgish as Dutch

Apologies for posting in English. Help mit 't euverzètte nao dien spraok

There is an error in the configuration of Limburgish-language wiki projects. Text on this wiki is treated as if it is in Dutch. In general, treating one language as another gives poor results. Sometimes it does nothing, and often it does the wrong thing. However, Limburgish and Dutch may be similar enough that doing so provides a significant benefit. It is difficult to know without being familiar with both languages. I'm hoping you can give us your opinion. Unless there is a good reason to keep treating Limburgish as Dutch, the change will begin the week of October 9th. Please let me know of any concerns. You can read more about the overall project (in English) on Mediawiki.org [1].

Danke! TJones (WMF) (euverlègk) 4 okt 2017 16:42 (CEST)

't Kump hei nog neet gans droet, meh TJones bedoelt tot 't Hollands hei es 'fallback-taol' weurt gebruuk: es vaan ein of aander interface-bestand nog gein Limbörgse vertaoling besteit, weurt 't Nederlands alternatief gebruuk. Dat is prima, want aanders zouw dao ingels stoon en de mieste Limbörgers begriepen 't Nederlands toch beter. Twievelechteg is evels tot datzelfde ouch weurt gedoon mèt AI-hölpe bij 't zeuke. Iech weit neet tot in details wie de wèrke, meh 't zouw dus wel ins zoe kinne zien tot dat bij 't zeuke rizzeltaote oplievert boe't geer gaaroet neet nao op zeuk waor. Ierlek gezag zouw iech, um hei-euver te oerdeile, liever get perceizer weite wat de zeukhölpe daan doen.

Off-topic: Dit oonderwerp raak trouwens nog e geveuleg pienpunt. V'r höbbe de lèste jaore d'n interface get verwaarloes. De Hollandse tekste houpe ziech oonderhand op. Wee vaan us geit dat ins fixe? Es 't kin in 't AGL, meh 't eige dialek is desnoeds welkom (zoelaank 't gei Kèrkraojs, Venraojs of Sint-Truidens is). Steinbach Maak de wereld sjoender, besjrijf häöm op Wikipedia! 4 okt 2017 17:09 (CEST)

Beriech achtergelaote op meta:User talk:TJones (WMF). Zouw uuch bès kinne intressere. Steinbach Maak de wereld sjoender, besjrijf häöm op Wikipedia! 4 okt 2017 17:24 (CEST)

Iech höb zjus 't antwoord van TJones geleze op dien vraog. Iech höb evels nog steeds neet hielemaol in de gate wat de gevolge goon zien en iech kin op dit momint geinen oetspraak dreuver doen. Euveriges vin iech de aonkondeging wel erg laat...

Off-topic: Iech zal binnekort wel weer 'ns op de Translate-wiki get zake goon vertaole. - Pahles | zègk 't mer 4 okt 2017 22:15 (CEST)

@Zeukfunctie: aventoe is mich det al opgevalle. Wäörd wie "wie", "boek", "het", "wen", "doe", "zaal", "zate(n)" etc zeen al valsje vrunj; nag te zwiege euver grammaticaal oetgeng, die onnag ei bepaoldj dialek kinne beveuroeardeile (mestreechs -t vs. mofers -tj; mofers -en vs. mestreechs -e; etc. etc.) en raar rizzeltaote wen de apostrof of d'n umlaut (ouch: ó, è etc) wuuertj gebroek. Zelf dink ich det v'r - es ich 't functionere good begriep (veural 't stök euver Frans veur Wolof di-j mich waal get alarmbelkes rinkele) - dit baeter oet kónne zètte.

Nao 't laeze van 't gesprek op meta dink ich zelfs det dit nag lestiger is es v'r dinke. 't Limburgs haet gein uniform spèlling, mer ouch gein uniform waordesjat of zelfs uniform grammaer (verbuginge, verveuginge) etc. Waat in 't Mestreechs loed e metaal is, is op 't Bergs 'n verveuging van loeje; dewiel loeje weer 't stoffelik bieveugelik naamwaord is veur loed op 't AGL (Mestreechs?). Wiejer zeen dinger wie gank - geng; boewe - boedje - boetj; val - vèltj/vilt/vèlt; good - goje etc. praktisch ónmeugelik óm door te veure. Zon functie zów "regelmaesiger" dialekte wie de stadsdialekte van Vinlo en Remunj wied beveuroeardeilen euver "boere"dialekte wie 't Mofers en anger sterk mouillerendje en klankversjuvendje dialekte (dink aan 't Mestreechs: vrere - vruis; knien - knijn). Ich vermoed dus det v'r te ónregelmaesig en te zeer verdeildj zeen in versjillige dialekte óm hie zelf 'n zinvol invölling veur te kónne make. (dink in 't Mestreechs: boot - beut, voot - veuj, woord - wäörd - bioot - biote)

@interface: ich höb lits nag de meis-veurkómmendje berichte euvergezatj, hiebie steunendj oppe al bestäöndje berichte, mer oet automatisme is hie waal aventoe get remunjs/mofers tösse gekómme. Aevel dink ich neet det det veure begriepelikheid vanne berichte van belang is. Feit blief inderdaad waal det nag väöl werk vèltj te doon oppe Bètawiki. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 5 okt 2017 14:12 (CEST)

I'm having some trouble following the conversation, but I want to make clear that we are not talking about removing Dutch system messages or interface elements, which are probably helpful when no Limburgish is available. We are only talking about how we process the text of articles for searching. Thanks to Steinbach for the conversation on my Meta page! TJones (WMF) (euverlègk) 5 okt 2017 15:31 (CEST)

Thank you. I think that was clear already :) @Meta: Veur de anger luuj: 't gesprek mit TJones op meta kóntj g'r hie vinje. Hie steit ouch mieë infermaasje euver wie dees functie próntj wirk. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 5 okt 2017 15:44 (CEST)\

These changes were completed the week of October 9th and deployed the following week. The re-indexing of the affected wikis was completed a few hours ago and should be live everywhere now. The list of affected languages is on the Phab ticket T177871 and a list by wiki is on that page in a comment. For more details, see the write up on MediaWiki. TJones (WMF) (euverlègk) 24 okt 2017 16:56 (CEST)

New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers

New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers

The Readers web team will be deploying a new feature this week to make it easier to download PDF versions of articles on the mobile website.

Providing better offline functionality was one of the highlighted areas from the research done by the New Readers team in Mexico, Nigeria, and India. The teams created a prototype for mobile PDFs which was evaluated by user research and community feedback. The prototype evaluation received positive feedback and results, so development continued.

For the initial deployment, the feature will be available to Google Chrome browsers on Android. Support for other mobile browsers to come in the future. For Chrome, the feature will use the native Android print functionality. Users can choose to download a webpage as a PDF. Mobile print styles will be used for these PDFs to ensure optimal readability for smaller screens.

The feature is available starting Wednesday, Nov 15. For more information, see the project page on MediaWiki.org.

Danke!

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20 nov 2017 23:07 (CET)

Call for Wikimania 2018 Scholarships

Hi all,

We wanted to inform you that scholarship applications for Wikimania 2018 which is being held in Cape Town, South Africa on July 18–22, 2018 are now being accepted. Applications are open until Monday, 22 January 2018 23:59 UTC.

Applicants will be able to apply for a partial or full scholarship. A full scholarship will cover the cost of an individual's round-trip travel, shared accommodation, and conference registration fees as arranged by the Wikimedia Foundation. A partial scholarship will cover conference registration fees and shared accommodation. Applicants will be rated using a pre-determined selection process and selection criteria established by the Scholarship Committee and the Wikimedia Foundation, who will determine which applications are successful. To learn more about Wikimania 2018 scholarships, please visit: wm2018:Scholarships.

To apply for a scholarship, fill out the multi-language application form on: https://scholarships.wikimedia.org/apply

It is highly recommended that applicants review all the material on the Scholarships page and the associated FAQ before submitting an application. If you have any questions, please contact: wikimania-scholarships at wikimedia.org or leave a message at: wm2018:Talk:Scholarships. Please help us spread the word and translate pages!

Best regards, David Richfield and Martin Rulsch for the Scholarship Committee 20 dec 2017 20:24 (CET)

User group for Military Historians

Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

MediaWiki message delivery (euverlègk) 21 dec 2017 11:46 (CET)

2018

Leef luuj, ich wins uch e zalig nuujjaor! Det v'r in 2018 väöl sjoean, kwalitatief artikele tewaeg kónne bringe! --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 1 jan 2018 00:37 (CET)

Ouch vaan miech e zaoleg nuijaor! Tot 't veur ederein e good jaor maag zien. - Pahles | zègk 't mer 1 jan 2018 14:58 (CET)

Gelukkig nuijoar! --SCV (euverlègk) 1 jan 2018 21:15 (CET)

En vaan miech. Steinbach Maak de wereld sjoender, besjrijf häöm op Wikipedia! 1 jan 2018 22:11 (CET)

Zalig nuujjaor en de bèste wunsje!--Aelske (euverlègk) 2 jan 2018 18:39 (CET)

Botopdrach

Leef lui, iech kin zelf nog ummer gein otonoom scripte sjrieve. Daorum zouw iech eine vaan uuch gere vraoge of heer/zij mesjiens 'ne bot wèlt laote loupe. 't Geit um 't volgende: op sommege blaojer steit 't sjabloon:stumpke. Dat is niks aanders es 'ne redirect nao {sjtumpke}. 't Veug dus niks touw, en de lezer krijg dezelfde teks in 'tzelfde AGL te zien. Oonderwijl is 't wel extra belasting veur de server, dee meta-sjablone neet zoe sjiek sjijnt te vinde. Dus kin iemes euveral {stumpke} door {sjtumpke} vervaange? Daan goej iech dee redirect wel weg. Steinbach Maak de wereld sjoender, besjrijf häöm op Wikipedia! 13 jan 2018 20:14 (CET)

Mien excuses, ich haw dit nag neet veurbie zeen kómme... Doe dörfs waal get te vraoge zoea kort op 't vastelaovessezoen :P Aangezeen 't neet al te dringendj is, sjuuf ich 't effekes op veur achter in fibberwarie. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 25 jan 2018 17:07 (CET)

Prima, 't heet geine spood. Steinbach (euverlègk) 25 jan 2018 17:15 (CET)

Iech höb alles vervaange mèt miene bot en de redirek eweggegoeid. - Pahles | zègk 't mer 27 jan 2018 21:38 (CET)

Sjiek, daanke. Steinbach (euverlègk) 27 jan 2018 23:51 (CET)

Hoofpagina's in categorieje

Ich zoog juus dees bewirking van Steinbach. Mich is 't neet dudelik of v'r hie oeatj 'n aafspraok euver höbbe gemaak. Gebroeke v'r veure wichtigste pagina's in categorieje noe 'n spatie (waat ich meistes gebroek) of 't sterke (*)? Mich maak 't nieks oet welche v'r gebroeke; zolang 't meh consequent wuuertj gedaon. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 16 jan 2018 10:35 (CET)

Iech höb dat sinds jaor en daag mèt e stereke gedoon. Sommege höbbe dat ouch euvergenome. Aandere gebruke de spatie, wie dat op o.m. d'n Ingelse Wikipedia gebäört. Iech veraander 't ummer in e stereke, perceis um de rei diestiech neums: consequent blieve. Meh of v'r hei-euver oets expliciete aofsprake höbbe gemaak, dat weit iech neet. Steinbach Maak de wereld sjoender, besjrijf häöm op Wikipedia! 16 jan 2018 12:31 (CET)

Ich bön al d'rachter woveur ze dao de spatie gebroeke. Kiek mer hie: [2]. Wen 'n pagina op "(" begintj, den kump 't daoveur te staon. Dink bv. aan 'n categorie van de Rolling Stones. De pagina "(I can't get no) Satisfaction" zów den - wen me de categorie neet aanpas nao "[[Categorie:Rolling Stones|Satisfaction]]" - véúr de hoofpagina "Rolling Stones" kómme te staon. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 16 jan 2018 13:10 (CET)

Ich pas artikelnaome mèt häökskes eigelek ummer aon. In dit geval zouw iech devaan make: [[Categorie:Rolling Stones|I can't get no satisfaction]]: daan weure de speciaol teikes genegeerd en kin me zeuke wie me dat in d'n index vaan e book zouw doen. Zoe daon iech dat ouch mèt naome mèt accente. Este "Ètsberg" neet es "Etsberg" sorteers, kump zoe e woord aon 't ind vaan de categorie te stoon. Steinbach Maak de wereld sjoender, besjrijf häöm op Wikipedia! 16 jan 2018 13:28 (CET)

Good. Den doon v'r 't vanaaf noe mit e sterke en litte v'r extra op det v'r de pagina's good categoriseren oppe meneer wiet se det hiebaove höbs ómsjreve. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 16 jan 2018 16:56 (CET)

Artikele aonmake: mèt doel gere

Leef lui,

Geer höb miech woersjijnelek wel bezeg gezeen mèt mie kwaliteitsoffensief. Iech waor oonder mie bezeg mèt 't oetbreie vaan zier korte sub-stumpkes. Zoezjus höb iech nog mie werk oontdèk: weiskinnekes, ofwel artikele die nörges weure gelink.

Miech moot get vaan 't hart. Väöl vaan de artikele die iech oodner han höb genome of nog oonder han wèl numme, koume vaan ervaore gebrukers - vaan lui die beter mote wete. (Veur de dudelekheid: neet edereine hoof ziech aongesproke te veule.) Zoewel extreem korte artikele es weiskinnekes höbbe gei redelek doel.
Korte artikele zien allein mer good veur väöl blauw links en 'n indrökwèkkend artikelaontal. Ze beie koelek informatie; daomèt sjete 't eigelek doel vaan 'n encyclopedie veurbij. Wee geit noe de Limbörgse Wikipedia leze este dao non-artikele mèt ein inkel feitsje kins verwachte, dewijl de Hollandse, Ingelse en Duitse versies, die me vleujend leus, diech wel volweerdeg informere?
Veur weiskinnekes gelt e bitteke 'tzelfde. Gek genoog zien 't dèks wel volweerdege artikele: laank, informatief en zelf wel vaan wikilinks veurzeen. Meh sjijns zoemer oet 'ne impuls aongemaak. Wikipedia-artikele bereik me veural door vaan 't eint nao 't aandert door te klikke; es die dinger nörges gelink zien, daan kin me ze neet vinde. De Limbörgse Wikipedia weurt al zoe (rillatief) wieneg geleze, en v'r zien al zoeväöl lesteger te vinde mèt Google; op die meneer leus ech gein levende ziel dien artikele nog.
Dus iech wouw mer eve zègke: maak eur artikele in 't vervolg estebleef aon mèt e dudelek doel: 't moot get te leze geve, en me moot 't te leze kriege. Steinbach Maak de wereld sjoender, besjrijf häöm op Wikipedia! 19 jan 2018 14:01 (CET)

P.S.: Wee alvas get wèlt doen aon de weispagina: zuug Speciaal:Weispagina's. Op 't memint vaan poste waoren 't 'rs 233 of oongeveer 2% vaan 't totaol - dat is ech te väöl.

Gans geliek! Ich zeen al det väöl van de weispagina's nag van mich kómme wie ich de ISO 639-codes vanaaf "a" waas aaf 'nt wirke... Wie ich mitte plentjes enne bieësjkes bön begós höb ich det get gestructureerdjer via de femieljes (taxonomische indeiling) gedaon wodoor gein weispagina's mieë biekome. Ich zal de taelkes allemaal nag waal gaon verzeen van 'n spraokfemielje die trögkverwies nao de betrèkkelike spraok. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 25 jan 2018 17:10 (CET)

Logo

Leef lui,

't Is weer vastelaovend, en wie vaanajds huurt daan 't alternatief logo mèt steek linksbove te stoon. Noe höb iech zoezjus die versie weer herstèld, wie iech zeen gein veraandering. Ouch neet nao 't lege vaan de buffer. Veureg jaor, en iech gluif zelfs 't jaor daoveur, góng 't ouch al fout. Wat is dat daan? Iech zouw veural Pahles zien meining wel wèlle hure, umtot heer vaan us 't mieste vaan informatica versteit.

Euveregens sleet iech neet oet tot iech dit al ieder aon de kaffee höb veurgelag, um de rei die iech zoezjus neumde. Steinbach (euverlègk) 11 fib 2018 12:03 (CET)

Ich geluif dat 't logo allewiel via Phabricator (vreuger Bugzilla) mót waeren ingestèldj en nimmieë via Wiki.png. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 12 fib 2018 09:54 (CET)

Beursaanvragen Wikimedia Nederland

Beste allen,

Actieve Wikimedianen kunnen bij Wikimedia Nederland een beurs aanvragen voor deelname aan Wikimania en de Wikimedia Hackathon. Dit kunnen volledige beurzen zijn voor reis, entree én verblijf, of een beurs voor een deel van de kosten.

De Hackathon zal dit jaar in Barcelona plaatsvinden van 18-20 mei. Registratie voor de Hackathon blijft open totdat de maximum capaciteit is bereikt. Wacht dus niet te lang met je alvast in te schrijven. Stuur je aanvraag voor een beurs uiterlijk 15 maart naar info-at-wikimedia.nl. Leg in je aanvraag uit wat je door deelname aan de Hackathon hoopt te realiseren, en geef aan of je een beurs wilt voor alle kosten, of voor een deel daarvan.

Wil je (misschien voor het eerst) Wikimania meemaken? Van 18-22 juli vindt in Kaapstad Wikimania plaats. Voor Wikimania geldt dat WMNL dit jaar naast ervaren Wikimania-bezoekers ook twee Wikimedianen zou willen steunen die nog nooit naar Wikimania zijn geweest. We verwachten dat we in april met de aanvraagprocedure kunnen starten, als de Wikimedia Foundation heeft bekend gemaakt wie zij een beurs zullen geven. Hou De Kroeg en de Vereningswiki in de gaten en begin alvast na te denken waarom deelname voor jou én voor de Wikimedia-beweging belangrijk is.

Zoals altijd: je hoeft geen lid te zijn van Wikimedia Nederland om voor een beurs in aanmerking te komen.

Voor vragen kan je mailen naar info-at-wikimedia.nl

Met vriendelijke groeten,

Michelle Boon (overleg) 21 feb 2018 14:00 (CET)

Editing News #1—2018

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can now use the visual diff tool on any page?

Sometimes, it is hard to see important changes in a wikitext diff. This screenshot of a wikitext diff (click to enlarge) shows that the paragraphs have been rearranged, but it does not highlight the removal of a word or the addition of a new sentence.

If you enable the Beta Feature for "⧼visualeditor-preference-visualdiffpage-label⧽", you will have a new option. It will give you a new box at the top of every diff page. This box will let you choose either diff system on any edit.

Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.

In the visual diff, additions, removals, new links, and formatting changes will be highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.

This screenshot shows the same edit as the wikitext diff. The visual diff highlights the removal of one word and the addition of a new sentence.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode, which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and improving the visual diff tool. Their work board is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes

• The 2017 wikitext editor is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. It has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. The team have been comparing the performance of different editing environments. They have studied how long it takes to open the page and start typing. The study uses data for more than one million edits during December and January. Some changes have been made to improve the speed of the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual editor. Recently, the 2017 wikitext editor opened fastest for most edits, and the 2010 WikiEditor was fastest for some edits. More information will be posted at mw:Contributors/Projects/Editing performance.
• The visual diff tool was developed for the visual editor. It is now available to all users of the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. When you review your changes, you can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. You can also enable the new Beta Feature for "Visual diffs". The Beta Feature lets you use the visual diff tool to view other people's edits on page histories and Special:RecentChanges. [3]
• Wikitext syntax highlighting is available as a Beta Feature for both the 2017 wikitext editor and the 2010 wikitext editor. [4]
• The citoid service automatically translates URLs, DOIs, ISBNs, and PubMed id numbers into wikitext citation templates. It is very popular and useful to editors, although it can be a bit tricky to set up. Your wiki can have this service. Please read the instructions. You can ask the team to help you enable citoid at your wiki.

Let's work together

• The team will talk about editing tools at an upcoming Wikimedia Foundation metrics and activities meeting.
• Wikibooks, Wikiversity, and other communities may have the visual editor made available by default to contributors. If your community wants this, then please contact Dan Garry.
• The <references /> block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. [5]
• If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly. We will notify you when the next issue is ready for translation. Danke!

—Elitre (WMF)

2 mrt 2018 21:56 (CET)

Galicia 15 - 15 Challenge

Wikipedia:Galicia 15 - 15 Challenge is a public writing competition which will improve improve and translate this list of 15 really important articles into as many languages as possible. Everybody can help in any language to collaborate on writing and/or translating articles related to Galicia. To participate you just need to sign up here. Thank you very much.--Breogan2008 (euverlègk) 12 mrt 2018 15:18 (CET)

Welcome to Wales! The Celtic Knot Conference...

I apologise that this invitation is in English; feel free to translate into your own language!

I would like to invite you to the second Wikipedia language conference focusing on supporting Celtic and other small and Indigenous Languages. This year 'Celtic Knot' will be at held on the 5th and 6th of July at the National Library of Wales in Wales' most famous seaside resort of Aberystwyth.

For more information on how you could be part of this great event, pop over to our website where you can also contact Jason Evans, our National Wikimedian and conference organiser. We have many speakers who will talk about what works for them, how we can learn from each other... small is beautiful...

Viva la diversity! Llywelyn2000 (euverlègk) 4 apr 2018 15:25 (CEST)

Wikimania Beurs

Beste allen,

Van 18-22 juli vindt in Kaapstad Wikimania Wikimania plaats. Actieve Wikimedianen kunnen bij Wikimedia Nederland een beurs aanvragen voor deelname aan Wikimania. Dit kunnen volledige beurzen zijn voor reis, entree én verblijf, of een beurs voor een deel van de kosten.

Wikimedia Nederland zou graag dit jaar, naast ervaren Wikimania-bezoekers, twee Wikimedianen steunen die nog nooit naar Wikimania zijn geweest.

Wil je Wikimania (misschien voor het eerst) meemaken, dan kan je met dit formulier een beurs aanvragen. De deadline voor het aanvragen is 23 april om 9:30

Zoals altijd: je hoeft geen lid te zijn van Wikimedia Nederland om voor een beurs in aanmerking te komen.

Voor vragen kan je mailen naar info(@)wikimedia.nl

Met vriendelijke groeten,

Michelle Boon (euverlègk) 9 apr 2018 14:49 (CEST)

Doorgestreepte wäörd weergeve

Daag leef lui, veur 't artikel Kabbinèt-Rutte III wil iech ein zin doorgestreep weergeve (um aon te geve tot Halbe Zijlstra geine minister mie is). Iech bin evels vergete wie iech dat in de opmaak aongeef. Kin iemes miech dat vertèlle? Alvas bedaank! --Zeiverklaos (euverlègk) 18 apr 2018 17:51 (CEST)

Es ich 't good begriep mós se <s>doorgestreep</s> höbbe; det guuef: doorgestreep. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 18 apr 2018 18:27 (CEST)

Merci, OWTB! :) --Zeiverklaos (euverlègk) 18 apr 2018 19:56 (CEST)

Time to bring embedded maps (‘mapframe’) to most Wikipedias

Time to bring embedded maps (‘mapframe’) to most Wikipedias

Help mit 't euverzètte nao dien spraok

Mapframe is a feature that enables users to easily display interactive maps right on wiki pages. Currently, most Wikipedias don’t have mapframe. But fifteen Wikipedias, along with all the other Wikimedia projects, are using mapframe today to display maps on thousands of pages.

A little background: over the last few months, the Foundation’s Collaboration team has been working to improve the stability and user experience of the maps service. In addition, a question about long-term support for the maps service was recently settled, and a small team has been assigned for routine maintenance. Given these developments, bringing the benefits of mapframe to Wikipedias that lack the feature seems both safe and supportable. Nine Wikipedias that use a stricter version of Flagged Revisions will not get mapframe in this release.

Maps are a valuable form of visual data that can improve readers’ understanding across a wide range of topics. If you know of any reasons why mapframe shouldn’t be implemented on your Wikipedia, let us know on the project talk page. Unless we hear from you, we plan to release mapframe to most Wikipedias in May, 2018. So, if you foresee an issue, please let us hear from you. Otherwise, happy mapping!

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 24 apr 2018 23:38 (CEST)

De steek mit vastelaovendj

Ich woor juus 'nt zeuke wo ich mós zeen veur 't logo van de Wikibeuk óm te zètte nao de Limbörgse versie (Wikibeuk en neet Wikibooks) en toe koom ich dit taenge: [6]. 't Is dus waal meugelik mit vastelaovendj de steek op 't logo te zètte! :) --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 2 mei 2018 23:01 (CEST)

AdvancedSearch

From May 8, AdvancedSearch will be available as a beta feature in your wiki. The feature enhances the search page through an advanced parameters form and aims to make existing search options more visible and accessible for everyone. AdvancedSearch is a project by WMDE Technical Wishes. Everyone is invited to test the feature and we hope that it will serve you well in your work!

Birgit Müller (WMDE) 7 mei 2018 16:53 (CEST)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Available Now (May 2018)

Hello Wikimedians!

The TWL OWL says sign up today!

The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for free, full-access, accounts to research and tools as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for new accounts and research materials on the Library Card platform:

• Rock's Backpages – Music articles and interviews from the 1950s onwards - 50 accounts
• Invaluable – Database of more than 50 million auctions and over 500,000 artists - 15 accounts
• Termsoup – Translation tool

Expansions

• Fold3 – Available content has more than doubled, now including new military collections from the UK, Australia, and New Zealand.
• Oxford University Press – The Scholarship collection now includes Electronic Enlightenment
• Alexander Street Press – Women and Social Movements Library now available
• Cambridge University Press – Orlando Collection now available

Many other partnerships with accounts available are listed on our partners page, including Baylor University Press, Loeb Classical Library, Cairn, Gale and Bloomsbury.

Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
--The Wikipedia Library Team 30 mei 2018 20:03 (CEST)

You can host and coordinate signups for a Wikipedia Library branch in your own language. Please contact Ocaasi (WMF).

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Update on page issues on mobile web

Update on page issues on mobile web

Help mit 't euverzètte nao dien spraok Hi everyone. The Readers web team has recently begun working on exposing issue templates on the mobile website. Currently, details about issues with page content are generally hidden on the mobile website. This leaves readers unaware of the reliability of the pages they are reading. The goal of this project is to improve awareness of particular issues within an article on the mobile web. We will do this by changing the visual styling of page issues.

So far, we have drafted a proposal on the design and implementation of the project. We were also able to run user testing on the proposed designs. The tests so far have positive results. Here is a quick summary of what we learned:

• The new treatment increases awareness of page issues among participants. This is true particularly when they are in a more evaluative/critical mode.
• Page issues make sense to readers and they understand how they work
• Readers care about page issues and consider them important
• Readers had overwhelmingly positive sentiments towards Wikipedia associated with learning about page issues

Our next step would be to start implementing these changes. We wanted to reach out to you for any concerns, thoughts, and suggestions you might have before beginning development. Please visit the project page where we have more information and mockups of how this may look. Please leave feedback on the talk page.

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 12 jun 2018 22:58 (CEST)

Global preferences are available

Global preferences are now available, you can set them by visiting your new global preferences page. Visit mediawiki.org for information on how to use them and leave feedback. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

10 jul 2018 21:19 (CEST)

Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS

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Hi all,

I'm preparing a change in who can edit sitewide CSS/JS pages. (These are pages like MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Vector.js which are executed in the browser of all readers and editors.) Currently all administrators are able to edit these pages, which poses a serious and unnecessary security risk. Soon, a dedicated, smaller user group will take over this task. Your community will be able to decide who belongs in this group, so this should mean very little change for you. You can find out more and provide feedback at the consultation page on Meta. If you are involved in maintaining CSS/JS code, or policymaking around adminship requests, please give it a look!

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 12 jul 2018 10:45 (CEST) (via global message delivery)

Hooglimburgs (Hoeaglèmbörgsj) en Oudlimburgs (Aadlèmbörgsj)

Gówwendaag leef luuj van d'r Limburgse Wikipedia. Ich ligk hei noe saer kórt i gewiki róndj te loere en houw get vroage uëver 't 'hooglimburgs'. Noa vöäl zeuke kin ich gaar nieks vinge wat neet van hei of Wiktionary kump, en nörges sjtoan óch bronne bie. Volges de Hollesje wikipedia wuërt jieëkere teen joar 'e beukske oetgebrach (mit de lètste oetgaaf i 1998), mer doa is nieks van oet te hoale. Ich bin bie de Domeinen i Zitterd en get anger bookhenjel i Limburg gewaes, mer doa waete ze ja óch neet woeë-uëver ich 't höb. Hooglimburgs liek mich zieër puristisch, mer dat sjprik mich waal aa. Kint ieëmes mich estebleef 's richtsig vertèlle wiej/woeë ich ènjelik 's gówwen info kin kriege uëver dees interessante sjpèllingswies? PS Óch uëver 't Oudlimburgs krieg ich bauw nieks gevónge. Woeë hoalt gieër al dae info va? (Excuseer mijn Limburgs: ik ben Nederlandstalig opgevoed) Quouvir (euverlègk) 22 jul 2018 01:17 (CEST)

Daag Quouvir. Maak diech gein zörg euver die Limbörgs, dao is niks mis mèt! De Limbörgse Wikitionary is jaorelaank 't projek gewees vaan Gebroeker:Ooswesthoesbes. Iech höb dao in deen tied wel ins geloerd, meh dat 'Hoeglimbörgs' heet miech toen aofgesjrik. Volgens miech is 't 'n kunstaol die hypothetisch tuint wie 't Limbörgs hej gekloonke es 't gaar geinen invlood vaan boete hej gegeve. (Ze gebruuk wäörd die soms al 1500 jaor verawwerd zien, en gooddeils verzonne naomvalsoetgeng.) Wee 't verzonne heet weit iech neet, meh iech höb ummer aongenome tot 't 'n oetvinding vaan Ooswesthoesbes zelf waor. Wat Aajdlimbörgs betröf: dat is in principe 't Limbörgs dialek vaan 't Aajdnederfrankisch of Aajdnederlands, wat tot oongeveer 1200 woort gesproke. De Wachtendonckse Psalme zien dao-in gesjreve: "Singit Gode al ertha, lof quethet namon sinin".

Iech vin 't oonzinneg um 'n kunstaol te goon gebruke op 'nen dictionair. Geine Limbörger versteit ze, en eigelek heet 't mèt Limbörgs wieneg te make. De charme vaan 't Limbörgs is noe perceis tot 't 'n levende volkstaol is, die oondaanks d'n drök vaan 't Frans, Hollands en Hoegduits ziechzelf is gebleve. Natuurlek doen v'r wel ins puristisch: lui mote hospitaol sjrieve en neet ziekehoes, wäörd en neet woorde. Meh dat is vaan 'n aander orde. De Limbörgse Wiktionair deent in zienen huiege vörm neet 't doel boe 'r veur gemaak is: informatie bij de lui bringe. Heer zouw ins good mote weure gepóts. Daan moot alles euver 't "Hoeglimbörgs" mer nao 'n privésite (Wikia beveurbeeld). Iech zouw wel wèlle hure wie Owtb, dee intösse väöl awwer en wiezer is, dao anno 2018 zelf euver dink. Steinbach (euverlègk) 23 jul 2018 23:01 (CEST)

Daag Steinbach. Vöäl dank vuur dien verkloaringe. Ich vóng 't al egenaardig dat 't Hoeaglèmbörgsj 6 naamvel kós, en óch sjtruëkelde ich uëver get wuërd diej ich mich in d'r Wiktionair bekieëke höb. Ich wós (en waet) ja bauw nieks uëver 't Limburgs dat gesjrieëve en gekald wuërt aa geen ziej van de grens, dus ich houw gedach dat 't mesjiens doaraa loog. Ich zów gaer beginne mit sjrieve oppe Wiki, mer bin bang dat ich 't ege dörpsdialek mesjiens neet good vertaegewuërdig. 't Is mesjiens get te beïnvlood doer anger dialekte om 't nog richtsig 'Sjilves' te neume. Ich wil uuch waal vas nog eemoal danke vuur dienen oetlek :) Quouvir (euverlègk) 24 jul 2018 02:57 (CEST)

Waat Steinbach zaet klop. 't Hoeaglèmbörgsj is 'n kónsspraok die door e gruupke enthousiastelingen inein is gezatj. E paar jaor trögk waas ich dao zelf ouch hieël enthousias euver en höb ich mich denouch good laote gaon. Noe höb ich ingezeen det det neet ei van mien bèste ideeje is gewaes. Innen tössentied höb ich de anger projekskes (Wikibeuk, Wikinuujs, etc.) al kónne "zuvere" en ómgezatj nao gewuuen Limbörgs. Det steit onnag ummer oppe planning veure Wiktionair. Op Wikia bön ich al örges begós mitten aanzat veure vervanging vannen hujigen inhaad :) --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 24 jul 2018 10:27 (CEST)

't Vruijt mich om te zeen dat d'r nog ummer noa gekieëke en aa gedach wuërt. Ich wool gaer nog vroage of gieër huujtendaags nog waal 's biejeekumste organiziert om de wiki en 't plat te bekalle (en vuur get te ouwhoere natoerlik). Zoeëwiej ze i Bronssem 'Plat a gen dusj' höbbe. Of höbt g'r ervare dat 'r te wieënig belangsjtelling woar? Quouvir (euverlègk) 24 jul 2018 14:00 (CEST)

Ich geluif det waal 'ns get is bedach, meh det 't oetèntelik noeatj toet e treffe haet gelèdj. Veurluipig dink ich det 't neet d'rin zitj, went hieël väöl aktief gebroekers zeen v'r jaomer genóg nimmieë riek. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 24 jul 2018 14:23 (CEST)

Daag Quouvir! Ginne miensj kalt zuver dialek, mar ich bin óch va mening dat dieng Limburgs good is. 't Is aaf en touw e bietsjke isjatwirk, zikker wienieë 't dialek neet zoeë good is vasgelag. D'r besjteet evvel waal e Sjilves woadbook (vuur d'r naam, d'r auteur en 't joartal: Literatuur euver 't Limburgs, ónger Woordebeuk in 't dialek). Loer óch ins óp Vereniging STOP awacs, bis hüj is dat 't insigste artikel óp 't Sjilves. Wichtig is ónnog: beidrage aa Wikipedia is hiel lierzaam, vuur ós en jieëkerinne. V'r gónt hiel serieus um mit ós dialek en legke 't vas. Dat is dus óch de umgankssjproak. :) --Stephan (euverlègk) 25 jul 2018 01:57 (CEST)

Daag Stephan. 't Woeërdebook van 't Sjilves Dialek höb ich mich via de famielje (de groeëtmam) al oetgehold. Sjterker nog: ich höb 't noe, wiel v'r sjpraeke, i gen henj! Vreuger is uëver dat book nog de nuëdige bombarie gewaes, omdat d'r vöäl 'foute' insjtónge. Vuural de sjpellingswies is outdated. 't Is aevel zieëker ee gevreks beukske es te 't mit 'e körrelke zout nums! Vereniging STOP awacs haet waal get perblieëme ('t mót bv. "ee besjtuur" zinn, neet "een besjtuur"), mer ich höb 't mich op de planning gezat om diej pazjena ins good biej te wirke. Vöäl dank vuur dien hulp en dien sjoeën wuërd, Stephan! Quouvir (euverlègk) 25 jul 2018 05:29 (CEST)

New user group for editing sitewide CSS / JS

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Hi all!

To improve the security of our readers and editors, permission handling for CSS/JS pages has changed. (These are pages like MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Vector.js which contain code that is executed in the browsers of users of the site.) A new user group, interface-admin, has been created. Starting four weeks from now, only members of this group will be able edit CSS/JS pages that they do not own (that is, any page ending with .css or .js that is either in the MediaWiki: namespace or is another user's user subpage).

You can learn more about the motivation behind the change here.

Please add users who need to edit CSS/JS to the new group (this can be done the same way new administrators are added, by stewards or local bureaucrats). This is a dangerous permission; a malicious user or a hacker taking over the account of a careless interface-admin can abuse it in far worse ways than admin permissions could be abused. Please only assign it to users who need it, who are trusted by the community, and who follow common basic password and computer security practices (use strong passwords, do not reuse passwords, use two-factor authentication if possible, do not install software of questionable origin on your machine, use antivirus software if that's a standard thing in your environment).

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 30 jul 2018 19:44 (CEST) (via global message delivery)

Enabling a helpful feature for Template editors

Hello.

The team working on TemplateStyles at the Wikimedia Foundation would like to enable TemplateStyles on this wiki.

TemplateStyles is a feature to allow non-administrators to write and manage CSS styles for templates. It allows contributors who edit templates to separate content and presentation. A good web practice that makes it easier to manage the layout of templates. If you don't edit templates, this will not have any impact on your contributions.

TemplateStyles is useful for a few reasons.

• It makes it possible for templates to work better on mobile.
• It cuts out confusion on where to apply CSS rules.
• Editing CSS is currently limited to administrators, which is a major barrier to participation.
• All stylesheets must be loaded on all pages (whether they actually use the page or not), which wastes bandwidth and makes debugging style rules more difficult.

You can learn more about TemplateStyles on MediaWiki.org. Technical documentation is also available.

This is an optional feature and no one must use it, but template contributors are encouraged to do so! Please discuss and let us know if there are any concerns. If there are no concerns we will proceed to deploy the feature on the 9th of August.

Thank you.

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 6 aug 2018 23:28 (CEST)

Dit klink weer wie nag mieë kwatsj waat neet van toepassing is veur ós. Zólle veer dao me'ns mit wachte veur ze det ós dore sträöt duje? --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 7 aug 2018 10:03 (CEST)

Mèt ins, veer zien te klein um eventueel misbruuk ouch nog in de gate te hawwe. - Pahles | zègk 't mer 8 aug 2018 07:26 (CEST)

En us ouch wel twie gaanse daog geve um dreuver te kinne dinke en spreke... - Pahles | zègk 't mer 8 aug 2018 07:29 (CEST)

Ich höb dae miens hiebaove besjeid gegaove det veer 't neet winsjelik vinje det dit hie wuuertj doorgeveurdj. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 8 aug 2018 12:39 (CEST)

User:Pahles/User:Steinbach: Wie ummer zeen veer allich te lestig, dus mótte veer 't ómslechtig gaon aanpasse via de AbuseFilter. Kan eine vanne sysops dit oetzètte? Instructies daoveur kóntj g'r laeze bie dees discussie. --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 11 aug 2018 13:14 (CEST)

Iech höb dee gebruker bedaank veur zien gif en gevraog of ze de volgende kier us neet lesteg wèlle valle mèt vraoge boe ze neet nao 't antwoord wèlle luustere. Iech höb intösse 'n fèlter aongemaak (iech gaon devaan oet tot 't ouch good is). - Pahles | zègk 't mer 11 aug 2018 16:18 (CEST)

Det höbs se good gedaon. Danke! --OosWesThoesBes (euverlègk) 12 aug 2018 11:40 (CEST)

Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now

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Hi all,

as announced previously, permission handling for CSS/JS pages has changed: only members of the interface-admin (interfacemoderatoren) group, and a few highly privileged global groups such as stewards, can edit CSS/JS pages that they do not own (that is, any page ending with .css or .js that is either in the MediaWiki: namespace or is another user's user subpage). This is done to improve the security of readers and editors of Wikimedia projects. More information is available at Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS. If you encounter any unexpected problems, please contact me or file a bug.

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 27 aug 2018 14:40 (CEST) (via global message delivery)

Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October

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The Wikimedia Foundation will be testing its secondary data centre. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic to the secondary data center on Wednesday, 12 September 2018. On Wednesday, 10 October 2018, they will switch back to the primary data center.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop when we switch. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

• You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Wednesday, 12 September and Wednesday, 10 October. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Thursday 13 September and Thursday 11 October).
• If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

• Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
• There will be code freezes for the weeks of 10 September 2018 and 8 October 2018. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. Please share this information with your community. /User:Johan(WMF) (talk)

6 sep 2018 15:33 (CEST)